The Dulwich Society Journal for Winter 2020.
In this issue, by chance, appear no less than three articles which contain extensive quotations by contemporaries, writing over two hundred years ago, who lived in or visited Dulwich, then a small village. Like now, London itself was crowded and the roads emanating from it were being built up. Two of the articles, both written by poets and essayists, are concerned with their journey into Dulwich; indeed, they were accounts of a day trip both took, in the same year, and apparently separated by only a few weeks. Both seemed to have travelled on the same regular stage coach from Fleet Street and the writers comment at length about the difference in their surroundings once they start to ascend Herne Hill and turn down towards Dulwich. Another contemporary, John Ruskin, in his autobiography ‘Praeterita’, says much the same thing, as does Richard Church, another writer and poet a century later in his own autobiography ‘Over the bridge’.
What they all noted was the beauty of their immediate surroundings and the glimpses of equally beautiful countryside seen through the hedges, trees and gardens that they pass. What is remarkable is that a traveller today, even a resident taking his or her pandemic emergency exercise walk along this same route cannot but be inspired by the beauty of the surroundings, in whatever season.
In the pages of this issue you will also find an account of what must have been seen at the time as a considerable threat to this beauty. The threat took the form of a process called inclosure or better known today as ‘enclosure’, a process whereby historic common land was reclaimed by the landowner through a legal process. As the account makes apparent, Dulwich Common did not suffer the same fate as some of its fellow commons such as Norwood, Penge and Sydenham where the enclosed land was soon covered with speculator- driven housing. A pedant would indeed point out that whatever part of Dulwich’s Common was eventually built upon was more than compensated for by the granting of a park.
What is screamingly evident is that the resulting experience of the lovely landscape/townscape noted by today’s observer and his predecessors two centuries earlier, does need to be defended from intrusion.
We might well ask ourselves, how well are we defending Dulwich today? There are constant applications to extend or rebuild property, which when taken to extreme, results in pushing new builds to their very boundaries, thereby eliminating ‘the glimpses of distant landscapes ‘ so appreciated in the observers’ accounts. We continue to permit Metropolitan Open Land to be nibbled away, however good the reasoning sounds, as arguments are posited, that to preserve existing sportsgrounds it is necessary to generate more income. The solution is often seen by enlarging pavilions and other buildings to accommodate new users such as children’s nurseries. Recently, permission has been granted to destroy existing MOL with a new stadium in order to accommodate a new housing estate on its existing site,simply in order that a relatively small number of football enthusiasts can satisfy their needs at the expense of many times more who will be denied the sight of the greenspace forever.
Even small changes can affect the appearance and consequent enjoyment of surroundings. The frantic new restrictions by Southwark and Lambeth Councils affecting local roads seem to demand huge numbers of intrusive signage. The proliferation of street signage inevitably destroys the treasured views.
Your membership of the Dulwich Society supports efforts to preserve this unique place.
At last a positive Covid story, or at least a potential one: it now appears that the previously approved plans for 13 houses in ‘The Gilkes’, the former S G Smith workshop site, are not going to happen. The sums do not add up and the developer is proposing to come back with an application for a larger number of units, predominantly apartments. Assuming that any concerns over bulk and design can be resolved, this a great opportunity to solve two endemic Dulwich problems, how to provide decent sized apartments in the centre of the Village for downsizers and how to provide up-to-date accommodation for the Dulwich Estate Almshouse Charity. Common sense would say that the smaller ‘affordable accommodation’ units which Council policies require (35% of the total) would be ideal for almshouse accommodation and, hopefully, the Almshouse Charity will seize the opportunity.
The outline of the new scheme was confirmed at a meeting on 22 October between the local residents’ monitoring group and the CEO from McCulloch’s (chaired by local MP Helen Hayes). It appears that, as suspected, the developer tried unsuccessfully to sell the site on and has now decided on a new scheme which is currently going through pre-application discussion with Council planners. The underground car park has been abandoned for technical reasons and expense, but there will need to be some parking places if the development is to attract downsizers - Southwark will need to be flexible over their current parking policies. McCulloch’s have agreed that they will carry out a public consultation and, if everything went to plan, there could be a start on site by October 2021.
Various other points were raised at the meeting including the impact of the Low Traffic Neighbourhood on site access for builders’ vehicles and it was agreed that the construction management plan need to be recast. There was also discussion on the dangerous pedestrian route on Gilkes Place - Helen Hayes agreed to set up a site meeting to look urgently at potential solutions that would allow buggies and wheelchairs through safely and deter motorcyclists. The site is currently being tidied up and the pile of rubble spread more evenly over the site. McCulloch’s are waiting on the Dulwich Estate to complete their work on the units along Dulwich Village before they move the hoarding on the service road.
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Unhappiness with the Dulwich Estate
There is a growing concern among some residents’ associations on the 1960s estates over the Dulwich Estate’s management of the maintenance of the common areas on their estates. The fact that the Estate Office was closed with staff working from home as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic has clearly not helped but there is a feeling that it is being used as an excuse. There are reports and emails go answered, gardening contractors go unsupervised and standards of workmanship which are clearly not to specification are ignored. The Estate appears to have struggled with their customer focus during the pandemic and some residents are starting to ask whether it would be better if they managed their own maintenance programmes like several of the blocks of flats do.
The Great North Wood project
The Great North Wood was the landscape of woodland and wooded commons on the high ground between Deptford and Selhurst, living on in names such as Norwood and Forest Hill - but now reduced to a scattering of small woodlands and green spaces, with Dulwich, Sydenham Hill and Low Cross Woods being the largest remaining woods.
In 2017 the London Wildlife Trust embarked on a four year “Living landscapes” project, funded principally by a National Lottery Heritage Fund grant of some £700,000, aiming to work with volunteers, community groups and landowners to revive the Great North Wood as a home for woodland species and to encourage people to enjoy and to value the natural wealth on their doorstep. Other funding was provided by the Mayor of London, Veolia Environmental Trust, the Dulwich Estate and the Dulwich Society. The project ends formally in May 2021. Despite the recent impact of Covid, the project can be judged a success and should leave some worthwhile legacies.
A number of vibrant “Friends of” groups have been established or energised through the conservation work undertaken at 13 heritage sites, and the LWT is developing management plans with these groups. The LWT’s own volunteer group has developed significantly in numbers and skills, and is likely to continue to undertake conservation work in Dulwich, Sydenham Hill and Low Cross Woods. Habitats have been improved, seen in the increase in native species such as bluebells, foxgloves and wild garlic (the Dulwich Society funded fencing off some areas in “our” woods to allow regeneration of eroded areas, as well as the removal of invasive species such as the poisonous cherry laurel). Access is being improved by better paths and walkways (the Dulwich Society is currently funding a wooden bridge over the Ambrook stream at a cost of £2,300), and this will also reduced the erosion of ground cover. Awareness of the value of these areas have been raised by two Great North Wood Festivals and a wide range of community activities (the Dulwich Society has funded tree identification and dawn chorus walks). The entrances to the woods have been improved and information boards put in place.
“Lockdown” has seen a large increase in visits to the woods - this has served to emphasise how fortunate we are to have them on our doorstep, and the importance of this project.
The new boardwalk beside the magnificent Cedar of Lebanon (Cedrus libani) will reduce stress on the root system around the tree. The cedar is the largest tree in Sydenham Hill Wood and aged at about 150 years old. It was planted as an ornamental specimen when the upper slopes of the wood formed part of the gardens of the Victorian villas that once stood there.
The future of Crystal Palace Park
The enabling development for housing around the edge of the park is still on the table, and it has now been joined by redevelopment proposals for the former caravan site on Crystal Palace Parade. There is a reluctant acceptance amongst many stakeholders that these are probably necessary to ensure a viable future for the park but the Society feels that the plans for a series of large summer musical events are probably a step too far. Everyone accepts that the park needs additional money to be spent on it, after years of underfunding by Bromley and the Mayor for London, but does that mean that residents in adjoining boroughs need to suffer from excessive noise and major traffic disruption? The current Bromley licensing application by Festival Republic (20/000398/LAPRE) is for two three-day events on consecutive weekends in July, for a period of three years, commencing in July 2021 - with 50,000 people attending each day. The applicants point out that as well as Crystal Palace, there are four stations within walking distance, but will their capacity be adequate and in these Covid-19 times will people use trains? The Society has no problem with any of the smaller events suggested but 50,000 visitors a day over two consecutive weekends is just not feasible.
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The Village Orchard
The Village Orchard, established last year by the Dulwich Estate to commemorate the 400th Anniversary of the Foundation in 1619 has become a treasured oasis during the present pandemic. It has been very used by all ages as a place to find peace and respite. In the late afternoon at weekends a small folk group quietly plays in one corner. A few of the trees are having some difficulty in becoming established, no doubt caused by the dry conditions of spring and summer.
Images of Dulwich Calendar
This popular calendar, containing twelve monthly views of Dulwich scenes with space to write below, is in A4 spiral bound style and is available from The Art Stationers, Dulwich Village. The calendar makes an ideal and inexpensive gift to send by post. Price £10.95 each.
Re-thinking why we do gardening - Bell House
"I couldn't possibly help with gardening at Bell House because I've so much of my own garden to look after" a nameless volunteer told me. But she decided to come along anyway - "just once, mind you" - to show support. That was three years ago and now she comes along every week, loving the feeling that she's doing something bigger than just tending her own patch but also because she picks up tips from experienced gardeners like Sarah, Shelagh, John, Reg and Andrew. It's also a chance to meet new people who often live outside Dulwich and come from different backgrounds, and all the gardeners like getting exercise and drinking coffee together. Another volunteer says that he lives alone and during the Covid-19 restrictions Bell House was one of the few places he's actually been able to see people - it's given him a lifeline to the outside world.
The garden is meaningfully productive: the Bell House gardeners used the walled garden and greenhouse this year to grow tomatoes, beans and marrows which have been donated to two different local food-banks and also used for cookery courses at the house. At the edge of the garden are five beehives which have provided dozens of jars of honey for volunteers and visiting speakers (often visiting via Zoom) and the bees also have a valuable role in pollinating the plants of Dulwich and South London - it is said that honeybees fly several miles to get pollen though surely they don't need to go that far in Dulwich. The bees and the garden have also been part of our Schools Enrichment Programme where children from Camberwell and Tulse Hill visit for a day and have experiences beyond their narrow school curriculum. To help with this a wildlife pond is planned for 2021 and several Dulwich residents have already made pledges to help fund it through the 'Big Give' appeal.
It's worth thinking about why people do gardening at all - the bumblebee expert Prof Dave Goulson suggests that if you want to make weeding easier you can just think of "weeds" as wild flowers which you haven't yet become familiar with, and he also believes that most of us cut our lawns too often and too short. At Bell House the chief gardeners have followed his advice and created a wildflower meadow where the grass is only cut to make pathways. As part of that conservation focus experts have come to talk to the gardening group about how to make your garden more friendly for birds and how to encourage butterflies and how to grow vines - and these talks are recorded and widely available through the bellhouse.co.uk website. One of our guest lecturers donated some vines which are flourishing, although Bell House wine may be a few years away. According to another of our speakers, butterfly expert Simon Saville, London gardens are an important contributor to biodiversity and it turns out that over the last 30 years the variety of butterflies in South and South West London has actually increased. As to birds, we have installed some hidden nest boxes on a north-facing wall in the hope of attracting swifts when they fly over from Africa next year. Not surprisingly they eat on the wing but eyebrow-raisingly they also occasionally mate in flight - though these are quick and discrete manoeuvres.
Gardening at home probably still needs doing but Bell House gardeners say they go back to their gardens (or window-boxes) with more enthusiasm and knowledge - and they discover that some tasks don't really even need doing - more of the garden can be managed for wildlife. Several of our younger volunteers have joined in for good career reasons - some want to show potential employees that they can work as part of a team, some are exploring careers in horticulture, and half a dozen others have done gardening as part of their Duke of Edinburgh Awards. Whatever your motivation, do come and have some fun, even if only for one week to get to know us and have a nosey around. We prefer social gardening with coffee-breaks to solitary pleasure. Don't you? If so, do join us!
Bernard Nurse, who is chairman of the Dulwich Society’s Local History Group and before his retirement was Librarian at the Society of Antiquaries, has had a second book published by Oxford’s Bodleian Library. Town Prints and Drawings of Britain before 1800 demonstrates that provincial towns in Britain grew in size and importance in the eighteenth century. Ports such as Glasgow and Liverpool greatly expanded, while industrial centres such as Birmingham and Manchester flourished. Market towns outside London developed as commercial centres or as destinations offering spa treatments as in Bath, horse racing in Newmarket or naval services in Portsmouth. Containing over 100 images of towns in England, Wales and Scotland, this book draws on the extensive Gough collection in the Bodleian Library. Contemporary prints and drawings provide a powerful visual record of the development of the town in this period, and finely drawn prospects and maps- made with greater accuracy than ever before - reveal their early development. This book also includes perceptive observations from the journals and letters of collector Richard Gough (1735-1809), who travelled throughout the country onthe cusp of the industrial age.
Town Prints and Drawings of Britain before 1800 224 pp, 238 x 278 mm,111 illustrations published by Bodleian Library. HB £35.00
South London Gallery in Peckham Road has been named as a winner of the Art Fund Museum of the Year 2020, the most prestigious museum prize in the world.
In a unique edition of the prize and in recognition of the unprecedented challenges that all museums face this year, five winning museums have been named. They will equally share the £200,000 award, a 40% rise over previous years, receiving £40,000 each.
The winning museums are: Aberdeen Art Gallery (Aberdeen, Scotland); Gairloch Museum (Gairloch, Scotland); Science Museum (London, England); South London Gallery (London, England); and Towner Eastbourne (Eastbourne, England).
Margot Heller, South London Gallery Director said, “To be joint Art Fund Museum of the Year 2020 is a fantastic endorsement of our work and one which we hope will entice people from across the UK and beyond to visit the SLG. We have a great reputation among those that know the gallery, but there is huge potential for that to grow. There are plenty of reasons to visit, from Bloomberg New Contemporaries in December to solo shows by the American painter Christina Quarles and London-based Rita Keegan in spring 2021, and a celebration to mark the fifth anniversary of our beautiful garden designed by Gabriel Orozco in September of next year. The financial insecurity brought about by the Coronavirus lockdown has been hugely challenging for the SLG, particularly when coupled with the need to find new, socially distanced ways to connect with local schools, children and families. The awarded prize money will mean we can continue to develop this work with our immediate neighbours, and also launch an exciting new artist commission, building on the Art Fund’s past support of major artworks at the SLG.”
The judging panel for the Art Fund Museum of the Year 2020 included: Jago Cooper, Curator of the Americas, The British Museum; Dame Liz Forgan (Chair), Trustee, Art Fund; Ryan Gander, artist; Melanie Keen, Director, The Wellcome Collection; and Jenny Waldman, Director, Art Fund.
Jenny Waldman, Director, Art Fund, said: “Congratulations to South London Gallery. The five Art Fund Museum of the Year 2020 winners are exceptional examples of museums offering inspiration, reflection and joy in the heart of communities. The UK’s museums - admired worldwide and vital locally - were thriving before Covid-19. Now they can help rebuild our communities and confidence as we emerge from the virus. We’re delighted the prize money will enable SLG to continue its important work with the local community.”
When Anthony Lester died in August the Autumn edition of the Journal had already gone to print. Lord Lester, who lived in Half Moon Lane was a long-time resident of Dulwich and had been chairman of the governors of James Allen’s Girls’ School at the time of the School’s 250th anniversary celebrations in 1991. He joined in the festivities, donning a period costume for the procession of the entire school, all dressed in 1741 costumes from the school, through the Village to Christ’s Chapel. He was chair during a large phase of building at JAGS, which included a new library and careers centre and saw the school’s introduction of a pre-prep department. His legal background in race relations was tested by the new acronym for the entire junior school as - JAPS to which he felt considerable unease.
Anthony Lester attended the City of London School and Trinity College, Cambridge where he read history and law. He spent two years at Harvard Law School, arriving soon after the murder of three civil rights campaigners in Mississippi in 1964 by the Ku Klux Klan. This event appears to have channelled a great deal of his legal career down the path of both human rights and the campaign against racial discrimination where he helped set up the ongoing organisation, playing pivotal roles in the Sex Discrimination Act 1976 and the Race Relations Act 1976. He spent 30 years campaigning to enshrine the European Convention of Human Rights into domestic law.
Called to the Bar after return from Harvard, he took silk in 1975. He stood as Labour candidate for Worthing in the 1966 General Election where he had a veritable Everest to climb despite the nationwide success of Harold Wilson’s campaign. He was trounced by his Conservative opponent, Terence (later Lord) Higgins, a former Dulwich resident and Alleyn Old Boy.
After editing a book of speeches and essays by Roy Jenkins in 1967 Anthony Lester was later recruited by Jenkins, then in his second spell as Home Secretary, to work on race and sex discrimination legislation. Lester followed Jenkins into the SDP when he formed the ‘Gang of Four’ in 1981. He was made a Liberal Democrat peer in 1993.
It was sad that his glittering career and reputation were destroyed by the unproved allegations of sexual harassment in 2018 relating to an alleged incident twelve years previously. Although supported by a majority of his peers in the House of Lords, age and ill health persuaded him to resign.
By Jan Welch
The vendors of the Dulwich house we were buying told us all the usual things: how to work the burglar alarm, the renovations they had carried out and the vagaries of the plumbing. We heard about the previous owners, and they mentioned - just a suggestion - that the Durrell family might have lived in the house many years before.
I added this to my list and thought no more of it until 1999, when Douglas Botting’s biography of the zoologist Gerald Durrell mentioned our address. A few years later I was looking out of a window and was intrigued to see a man in the street outside, looking up at the house and making notes. This was another biographer, Michael Haag, who also mentioned the address. Neither depiction of the house was positive, with both mentioning ghosts (not a problem we have yet encountered in our 23 years here).
Gerald Durrell’s books were some of my childhood favourites and our son, who went to Dulwich Prep opposite the house, was similarly happy to find My Family and Other Animals on his reading list. We thought that future youngsters attending this and other local schools might also enjoy the connection. This book had clearly enjoyed continuing popularity, being filmed in 1987 and again in 2005 even before the more recent popularity of The Durrells ITV series. Gerald’s brother Lawrence Durrell was of course also a distinguished author, though his popularity seemed to be eclipsed by that of his younger sibling.
How does one go about exploring whether a blue plaque might be a possibility? Wikipedia, as so often, was illuminating, covering the different plaque schemes and their designs, colours, and administration. The original blue plaque scheme was established in 1867, making it the oldest in the world, and run by English Heritage since 1986. Wikipedia described the selection process, with about a third of proposals being approved in principle and then about three years for these to reach the top of the shortlist.
The English Heritage website helpfully contained more information and details of the criteria: the proposed recipient must have died at least 20 years ago, to help ensure that the decision is made with ‘a sufficient degree of hindsight’. In addition, as plaques are also about the associated buildings, a plaque is only installed where a structure has survived in recognisable form. In our case the house must look very similar to how it did when owned by the Durrells in the 1920s, though the ‘grim, dripping, choking laurel hedge’ cited by Haag seems to have metamorphosed into privet in the meantime.
In 2015, 20 years after Gerald Durrell died, I contacted English Heritage to propose a plaque for both brothers; subsequently we were pleased to hear that Gerald had been shortlisted for commemoration. The Panel, however, noted Lawrence Durrell’s individual achievements but did not feel that his historical significance was on a par with that required.
Following short-listing, the next stage was to consider the biographical evidence as well as that relating to the actual address, and this was carried out by an appointed historian in 2017. In 2018 we were advised that the plaque to Gerald Durrrell had been approved, and this was followed by EH obtaining agreement from the Dulwich Estate. In 2019 we were sent mock-ups of how the plaque would look on the front of the house, and the wording to review.
In 2020 the actual plaque was commissioned - ours was made in Wales in a careful process taking three months - and arrangements made for an unveiling ceremony. Cathy Power, the indefatigable English Heritage Blue Plaques Manager, had thoughtfully arranged for a line-up of presenters reflecting different aspects of Durrell’s life, and including actors from The Durrells, and we had planned to invite neighbours and representatives from Dulwich institutions including local schools. And then came Covid-19.
As I wrote the above, the plaque was being installed as quietly as setting a 19inch wide ceramic circle 2 inches deep into brickwork will allow. The contractors were expert, and told me that they had installed 170 of them in 16 years. They kindly allowed me to take photos of the process and then insisted on posing me with the plaque on our front steps. The photo is memorable: I was very alarmed indeed at the prospect of dropping such a large, heavy, precious object.
In the month since the plaque was installed it has been a pleasure to see the response. While a few groups of Durrell devotees have clearly made special journeys to view and photograph it, the main impact has been on passers-by. A couple will walk past, one will spot the plaque and call back their partner, and they walk on with smiles. A couple of Prep boys applauded and called their friends to see. Parents and grandparents point it out to their families. It is very clear how affectionately Gerald Durrell is remembered, and we feel privileged to be able to host this commemoration of him.
The Blue Plaque for Gerald Durrell was installed at 43 Alleyn Park by English Heritage on the 17th September 2020
By John Hughes
The Turkey oak Quercus cerris originates, as might be expected, in Turkey and other areas of south-central and south-east Europe, reaching into south-west Asia. It has been cultivated in Britain since the early 18th century, and has been found in the wild since 1905. Its rapid northward spread in the last 50 years is yet further evidence of global warming: naturalised examples have now been recorded in the Great Glen. It is a common tree in Dulwich, with some very fine examples to be seen. Perhaps the finest is the one in Dulwich Park with an accompanying plaque deservedly identifying it as one of the Great Trees of London, the only one in Dulwich.
The trunk of Turkey oak tends to be much straighter than either of our two native oaks, English oak Q. robur and Sessile oak Q. petraea. Tree books often draw attention to the orange colour seen in the furrows of the bark of a Turkey oak. This can be hard to spot, though some orange colouring is visible at the back of the Dulwich Park tree and on the undersides of its lower branches. The leaves of a Turkey oak are darker than those of our native trees, so that it can look from a distance like a tall Holm oak. The leaves are very variable in shape and size, though they have an overall tendency to be narrow, almost ribbon-like. They have minute grey-felted hairs beneath. What gives a tree away as a Turkey oak is that its buds have persistent, long, twisted whisker-like stipules, occasionally obscuring the bud. These are most clearly visible in winter. The acorns of Turkey oak are stalkless, like those of Q. petraea. The scales of its acorn-cup are densely covered with whiskery hairs, giving it a somewhat shaggy appearance.
Some Turkey oaks have much more regular leaves than others and, if looking at one of these, it is worth considering whether you might have a Chestnut-leaved oak Q. castaneifolia before you. This is a much rarer tree. Its buds have the same whiskery stipules as Turkey oak and its acorn-cups also have a shaggy look. But its leaves have small regular triangular lobes, with a minute bristle to the vein tips (scarcely seen in Turkey oak). Dulwich is lucky to have a fine full-grown Chestnut-leaved oak on College Road, at the junction with Frank Dixon Way.
Dulwich also has two interesting hybrids between Turkey oak and Cork oak Q. suber. Accordingly, they both have the same scientific designation: Q. × hispanica. The first, Lucombe oak, grows by the Gallery Road entrance to Lovers Walk. It is named after William j++6Lucombe, an Exeter nurseryman who raised it in 1762. The second, Fulham oak, is so called because it was grown by Whitley and Osborne of Fulham in 1783. It grows in the Picture Gallery garden (location given on the new tree map by the College Road entrance). It is supposed to have a corkier bark than Lucombe oak, but the Picture Gallery tree does not yet display this, unlike the specimens to be seen in the gardens of Fulham Palace, for example. It is still a young tree, however, and so may well display more of its Cork oak parentage as it ages.